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September 30, 2010


Eric Coobs

No Rob - you can't get rid of Baucus in 2014.

The Montana Dems don't have the backbone.


"McDonalds isn't even going to be able to offer their crap coverage any more because of OBAMACARE!  EVERYBODY PANIC!  My point?  That's a good thing"

Let me just get this correct before I move on. You are saying crappy HCR is good because things will get worse, people will be more desperate, etc?

I see your point but it's a sad confession that we have gotten to that point of thinking, seems to show a real desperation. Crappy JCR that leads to more pain and a larger call for better reform down the road is akin to the
Idea that Republicans really want a huge deficit so that can use it as an excuse to get rid of every social program that they hate.

Both tactics are underhanded... But then again this is politics.

I have a further question for you since you seem to be running a theme here of hating on people that are encouraging people not to vote because of their frustration. Do you feel that a person choosing to withhold their vote is not a legitimate protest against the choices we face at the ballet box? Would you rather a person just vote for the "least worst" option and hold their nose while doing so?

Seems like frustrated progressives could always take a play out of the Tea Party play book and get really pissed off, create a separate organizational structure outside of the Democratic party and attempt a purge of value dogs. But somehow I don't see anything of the sort ever taking place.

Steve T.

Dang... you are one vituperative person. This kind of attitude is pervasive in political discourse, especially when elections or big votes are coming. I remember hearing about the fierce moral imperative of health care reform, and the continual shouting down of anyone who said that maybe no plan was better than a bad plan.

Listen, you're clearly frustrated by the lack of enthusiasm amongst progressives. I am too, actually. But you've assigned to yourself and other hardline Democrats some kind of fierce moral imperative. I'm just not seeing it.

"The culture wars will heat up..."

I'm supposed to be afraid of this? Big freakin' deal. Republicans will never do anything about these issues, including address Roe v. Wade. They'll take all of that energy and channel it into things like tax cuts for Goldman Sachs, endless war, and continued erosion of Social Security and Medicare. Oddly enough, those are the same things Democrats are working for. I can't wait for the deficit commission to make its recommendations!

the continual shouting down of anyone who said that maybe no plan was better than a bad plan.

What you call "shouting down", I call disagreement, something that progressives don't seem to deal with very well.

But you've assigned to yourself and other hardline Democrats some kind of fierce moral imperative.

I'm having a hard time seeing something wrong with that. And I've assigned no imperative to anyone other than myself.

My concerns in this election are local. Just because you haven't seen that doesn't mean I haven't argued that point. There is a very real possibility that many people who have positively impacted my life and existence will be voted out of office because the disillusioned will stay home from the polls. More on this forthcoming.

I can't wait for the deficit commission to make its recommendations!

Yes, just in time for the Republican House and the clown circus to act on those ...


Odd comments from some of the don't-vote progressives lead me to suspect that they actually want Republicans to take power so our nation can "hit bottom."

The system is corrupt. So, instead of trying to fix the system incrementally they want it destroyed.

But I wonder what would replace it? What would our country look like under a Palin-Boehner-Rehberg regime? How much worse would life be for the poor, the gay, the unemployed, the sick?

The "don't vote" types probably assume or fantasize that there would be a grassroots back-lash against fascism. After a revolution to depose the oligarchs, a brave new world of justice, equality, and prosperity would emerge.

This, however, is bullshit.


first, since it was my comment linked to, let me just say i have never recommended not voting, nor have i said that i am sitting out local voting because the national two party system is a total joke.

what i did say is if enough people in this country can be convinced to bring republicans back to power, then this country deserves what it gets. if people are really that stupid and brainwashed, then i don't see the point trying to fight the brainwashing until it becomes more clear to everyone that republicans will only accelerate our domestic decline as American imperialism pushes forward.

is that clear?


Lizard, you've never been unclear. Perhaps I was in that I was agreeing with you, and you missed that not so subtle point. If we have a disagreement, it's what 'rock bottom' actually means.

Big Swede

3M is the next shoe to drop. I'm predicting a shit storm of shoe dropping to follow.

"3M Co., citing new federal health laws, said Monday it won’t cover retirees with its corporate health-insurance plan starting in 2013.

Instead, the company will direct retirees to Medicare-backed insurance programs, and will provide reimbursement for that coverage. It’ll also reimburse retirees who are too young for Medicare; the company didn’t provide further details.

The company made the changes known in a memo to employees Friday; news of the move was reported in The Wall Street Journal and confirmed Monday by 3M spokeswoman Jackie Berry."

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