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January 19, 2010

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Eric Coobs

"It doesn't fucking matter!"


Your boy, The Great Leader, just got bitch-slapped, on the National Stage, and it doesn't matter to you ?

You are not an exceptionally good liar Rob !

But I won't gloat about it any more than necessary.

I only hope that Jon Tester doesn't wise up, and continues over the cliff behind Harry Reid.

Mark T

This is some of your worst work. That's not a small thing to say. It reminds me that when I think I hit a bulls eye, I most likely wrote some crap.

By the way, the Brown win changes the dynamic, and might fulfill the Republican goal of doing nothing. The Democrats made nothing look really good. One can only hope. SO bad is this bill, but so badly do AHIP and PhRMA want it that the poor schmuck Democrats may have to fall on their sword and pass the piece of shit.

Where's Baucus?

Is the Senate dysfunctional? Not hardly. It works exactly as intended in a dysfunctional system. It serves power.

Wulfgar
Your boy, The Great Leader, just got bitch-slapped, on the National Stage, and it doesn't matter to you ?

Eric, he isn't a 'boy', he didn't get slapped and no, this election doesn't matter to me or really much at all. It won't change my life one iota. I understand that it changes your klife because you won't have to use your Viagra for at least two weeks. And despite Mark's whining to the contrary, it won't change the dynamic of the Senate, save that LIEberman won't have as much power to disrupt things for personal gain. The real change happened when Teddy died. Who or what replaces him is truly a small matter.

Mark, if you have argument to make, weak as it is, just make it. If all your going to do is come here to insult I'll fucking ban your ass. Is that clear?

As to Brown changing the dynamic, explain how. The Republicant goal hasn't changed, what the Democrats want to accomplish hasn't changed. You babble incessantly that that's the case, (AHIP controls it all, ALL I tell you!!!) but then whine that I'm wrong by pointing out that this election doesn't matter? You're not only being inconsistent, you're being stupid. Don't do that.

Mark T

Wow - someone took his ugly pill. I'm going to be banned! In case you don't know it, that is authoritarian behavior. It's the same mindset that makes you feel righteous as you troll-rate comments you don't like elsewhere. Are you the wild card that Altermeyer wrote about?

It is very hard to know the mind of the voters, as collectively they don't think very much or very well, and are subject to emotional outbursts and pack behavior, and are easily manipulated.

But I think it is safe to say that the state has historically been very liberal, and that enough liberals were dissatisfied with a Democrat they they held their nose and voted for the Republican.

Given that we have no other choices, they did the one thing we're allowed to do in this one-party state. They protest-voted.

Why? What was on their minds? Collectively, again, hard to say. The collective is a moody beast. Polls say that the favorable treatment of Wall Street by Obama had a hand. I have not seen polling on the effect of the health care bill yet, but I think it is safe to say that that effect was not positive.

Will it change the dynamic? Of course, you idiot! This is that pivotal point in politics where public opinion actually matters - the voters are pissed! Elections are ten months away, and the ins are going to be looking at that MA vote and rethinking things. To avoid risk, they are going to avoid doing anything to rile them further. Best to let the beast sleep.

Therefore, we'll get nothing of substance (Wall Street, AHIP and PhRMA are still in charge - don't kid yourself), but we'll also lose nothing of substance. From this point on, all legislative behavior is symbolic. And it will be designed to lull the beast back to sleep.

I cannot say with certainty that health care "reform" is dead. AHIP et al don't care which party is in charge, though they are clever enough to know that they stood a better chance of getting what they wanted with Democrats at this point in time than Republicans (which is why Democrat campaigns were so well financed in 2008). But the shine is off that apple.

SO the safest bet is that nothing happens, a good thing, or that the Democrats are forced to fall on their swords and push this awful bill forward.

If the latter, they truly deserve their minority status. If I were a betting man, I would bet that the dynamic is shifted, and that AHIP and PhRMA will elect to do a strategic retreat.

Eric Coobs

How about 'jap-slapped'?

Does that sound better?

The President has been smacked around so much in his first year that he's probably developing a nevous twitch, wondering where the next one is coming from.

Oh, it's so nice to be proven correct - again and again. (Gloating)

This changes everything. And you will realize it eventually.

Where are the careers of Deeds, Corzine, Coakley, Dodd, Gorgan and Griffith headed today because of Obama?

If Jon Tester stays a Harry Reid-devotee, what chances do you give him of holding onto his seat?

I give him no better than 1 chance in 5 today.

But I'll bet it doesn't matter to you either, right?

Wulfgar
In case you don't know it, that is authoritarian behavior. It's the same mindset that makes you feel righteous as you troll-rate comments you don't like elsewhere.

Typical you, Mark. Another classic misinterpretation of a concept you barely understand having had it fed to you from someone else who actually uses his head for more than a hat rack.

Now let's address your tenuous grasp of cause and effect:

Will it (Brown's election) change the dynamic? Of course, you idiot!

No, Mark, it won't. The Senate dynamic remains the same. If there is a change in the voter dynamics, the cause isn't one special election. That election would be the effect. You seem to have missed your own point. This election *MIGHT* change the HCR debate, which seems to be the only thing you can grasp as the job of government, but not how the government is working (or in this case, not). The outcome of this election truly doesn't matter.

Big Swede

You're exactly right Wolf. This doesn't change a thing. Keep forging ahead like it never happened. Use reconciliation or bride a Maine RINO. Exempt upscale union health care, appoint lawyers to terrorists, close Gitmo, legalize illegals, cap and trade.

Don't change a thing...... we need to throw more of you f*ckers out.

Big Swede

And while you're at it demonize the tea party protesters.

As Kathern Ham so rightly states.

"Stead and the thousands of other Obamacare critics flooding town halls to make their dissent known had been called "extremist mobs" by the Democratic National Committee, pawns of the insurance industry by Senator Dick Durbin, "un-American" by Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, "brownshirts" by Representative Brian Baird of Washington, "manufactured" and "Astroturf" by White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, "evilmongers" by Senator Harry Reid, accused of "fear-mongering" by the president, and been deemed "political terrorists" by Representative Baron Hill of Indiana."

Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead.

Wulfgar

Nice rant, but I don't do requests, Swede. I thought you knew that by now ...

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