SSgt. Yance Gray Was A Phony Soldier

So says Rush Limbaugh.  Dave Rye only had the gall to call a fallen Montana soldier 'ignorant'.  He didn't call him a "phony soldier".  Apparently, he left that little bon mot to Rush.

But then, someone took out an ad ... in a newspaper.

Comments

[Rebecca]

I'm guessing Rush was fresh out of Oxycontin that day.

[Rocky Smith]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

This is the soldier Rush Limbaugh was refering to as a "fake". Sounds fair to me.

[Wulfgar]

Wrong again, Rocky.

[Andy B. Hammond]

Too bad for you guys it's not true.

[Wulfgar]

My cards are all on the table. The audio of Rush's gaff are all above board. My evidence is all displayed, and even a dimwit such as yourself can review it at will; so I call you a liar, Andy. Respond if you can. Show what you got, Hammond.

[rkba]

Here ya go buddy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY

[Wulfgar]

Hey, Buddy, Media Matters posted the live comments from his radio show. Limbaugh is covering his ass with a lie. Lie all you wish. The truth is out there. He edited his comment because he's an asshole. Can you convince more people of your lie? Are you proud if you do?

[Robert Bonzetti]

Wulfgar, you're trusting the wrong people. I have the a recording of the original 9/26 broadcast before the dustup. Limbaugh took a call from a soldier who made the comment,"[the media] never talks to REAL soldiers, they like to pull these soldiers who come up out of the blue and talk to the media." Limbaugh responded w/"The phoney soldiers." The soldier responded, "yes, the phoney soldiers." Then they finished talking about other things. As soon as the soldier hung up, Limbaugh said "here is a morning update we did recently talking about fake soldiers, this is who the left props up as heros, and they have their celebrities. One of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. . ." He spent the next several minutes talking about Jesse MacBeth alone. He never generalized beyond Jesse MacBeth, and never said those who oppose the administration's policies were phoney.

It is clear to anybody interested in the truth, that Limbaugh and the soldier who called, we both talking about media darlings like Jesse MacBeth and Scott Thomas Beauchamp (i.e. the soldier who wrote the fabricated accounts for The New Republic that were discredited and retracted). They were not talking about people who had principled disagreements with the administration.

Media Matters is either being dishonest or they've hired people who are genuinely stupid, people who can't follow an argument or a train of thought--or maybe their both stupid and dishonest.

You may hate Limbaugh--I can understand that--but your outrage should be over something much more substantive than a phoney controversy over an obvious distortion of an insignificant comment. Your cards are on the table, but you've got a 2 and a 4 off-suited, and the community cards are Q, K, A.

[Rocky Smith]

According to your own link, this is what was edited out:

[begin Limbaugh edit]

LIMBAUGH: -- know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir. And, and my other comment was -- and the reason I was calling for -- was to report to Jill about the fact that we didn't, didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that [inaudible] been using against us for awhile now.

I've done two tours in Iraq. I just got back in June and there were many instances of -- since [inaudible] not know what they're using in their IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. They're using mustard artillery rounds. The VX artillery rounds in their IEDs.

Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it just kind of -- it, it didn't really hurt anybody but there are -- those munitions are over there, it's just -- it's a huge desert. If they've buried it somewhere, we're never gonna find it.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know, that's a moot point for me right now --

MIKE: Rush --

LIMBAUGH: -- the weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're, we're there. What -- who cares if, if -- we all know they were there and, and Mahmoud [Ahmadinejad, Iranian president] even admitted it in one of his speeches here about -- talkin' about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people -- but that, that's moot, right? What, what's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working.

And all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and, and your colleagues over there is, is a great threat to them.

[end Limbaugh edit]

Show me which part was denigrating all antiwar soldiers. I guess I missed it.

[Wulfgar]

I'm really enjoying the effort at CYA for the drug-addled pundit. You guys are going to a lot of effort to show what he might have said, in an effort to completely white-wash what he did say.

Caller Assertion: the media doesn't talk to real soldiers (Yance Gray and the 6 others who wrote the Times OPed stand in contrast to the claim). Instead they talk to soldiers who are pulled out of the blue. (Yance Gray and those who wrote the Oped presumably.)

Rush Limbaugh's assertion: They (the soldiers that the media talks to) are "Phony Soldiers". Notice the plural which you boys are so desperate to ignore.

Therefore, quite clearly, SSgt. Yance Gray is a phony soldier, according to Rush Limbaugh.

Now Rocky wants to think that it shows something that Rush only edited out an inconsequential call in his CYA effort. He thinks that somehow helps Rush's case. It doesn't. It's obvious that Rush wants people to think he was only talking about a real-live true "phony soldier", Jesse MacBeth. Notice the singular. Except that he didn't bring up MacBeth until several minutes after he had already quite clearly labeled all media favored (anti-war) soldiers as phony. (Side note: There is nothing phony about Scott Bauechamp as a soldier. You can disbelieve what he wrote all you want, but to say that his service is "phony" is just as offensive ... to those who really care about such things.) Rush is clearly attempting to cover his overly large, Viagra fueled ass for saying something stupid. He clearly believes that there's something flawed about soldiers who don't support the Iraq debacle, but he's too chickenshit to admit it when called to take a stand based on what he said.

What's really funny in all of this is that I was just noting in this post what I already knew. Rush has no respect for soldiers or service. He respects the idiology that keeps him flush in Oxy's and dick-pills. Nothing more. But what he needs to keep the scam going are a bunch of people so willing to defend him that they will outright lie in the face of all evidence. Mr. Bonzetti says I'm "trusting the wrong people", presumably because he's heard the actual, really-for-real, tape of what Rush said. No kidding Robert? Media Matters posted it in the original article that I linked right up there at top. We've heard the same thing, you and I. And what we heard was Rush saying something offensive and stupid. And yet here you are trying to tell me that I didn't really hear it correctly because I should have heard what he really meant rather than what the bonehead actually said. Rocky goes even deeper off the end by looking at apples and demanding I show him the orange sitting next to them. And for what? So you guys can defend a soldier hater who dodged the draft with an ass pimple. Amazing, humorous and truly amazing.

The guy is a coward who won't even defend what he clearly believes, because he's got you guys to defend it for him. Seriously guys, I really want to know: what do get out of defending Rush?

[rkba]

What do get out of bashing Rush?

Yeah, I'm mocking you...which is weird...aren't you suppose to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smarter than me?!?

[rkba]

Here ya go, buddy...

Phony Soldiers...yes, PLURAL....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Thomas_Beauchamp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Wright

[Wulfgar]

Apparently I am smarter than you. I at least deal with what Rush said, as opposed to unrelated BS. I'm also smart enough to know that Scott Beauchamp wasn't a "phony soldier" at all. He served, which actually matters to those of us who put service above idiological pap. And finally, I'm smart enough to know that general claims can not be defended by reference to unrelated specifics. That there are 2 phony soldiers out there doesn't mitigate the fact that Rush called Yance Gray a phony soldier.

See, rkba, mocking is only good when it's done well. You have a very small talent for it. I'd look for a better pastime if I were you.

[rkba]

Quoting YOU:

"Therefore, quite clearly, SSgt. Yance Gray is a phony soldier, according to Rush Limbaugh." <---YOUR opinion, correct?

Limbaugh NEVER referred to Gray.

Once again, quoting YOU:

"And yet here you are trying to tell me that I didn't really hear it correctly because I should have heard what he really meant rather than what the bonehead actually said."

All things being equal, aren't YOU hearing what YOU want to hear?

[Wulfgar]

Actually what I heard were sound vibrations agitating the eardrum. The nerve impulses then spread to the brain where they were transalated to language, subjected to cognitive thought. A rational human would then subject that thought to logic:

1) According to Rush Limbaugh, soldiers that the media embraces are "phony soldiers"
2) Yance Gray was a soldier embraced by the media.

Therefore: Yance Gray is a phony soldier according to Rush Limbaugh, by modus ponens.

That is quite clearly what I heard. However, I see that logic is beyond you. Kind of sad really.

[rkba]

"The ability of the human animal to rationalize away its behavior is limitless."

Like I said, you're hearing what you want to hear.

[Rocky Smith]

Let's see:

1. You can't call someone who claimed to serve, but didn't, a phony soldier. (MacBeth/Wright)

2. You can question the honesty of a man who has served for many years before he utters a word. (Petraeus)

"Limbaugh is covering his ass with a lie. Lie all you wish. The truth is out there. He edited his comment because he's an asshole."

I don't always agree with Rush, but you've got nothing here. You suggested something sinister in him editing. I pointed out what was deleted and how it showed nothing. Get over your partisan insertion of what Rush meant. You've made more of it than what it is. I only see people like you trying to make anything of it. Amazingly, many of the same people think it's just fine to question the honesty of General Petraeus. That's okay, I guess?

[Wulfgar]

Rocky, are you being dim on purpose?

1) You're making that up. When did I write anything of the sort? See, Rocky, you're lying to defend Limbaugh, just like I said you were. I've asked you why. Care to explain?

2) I haven't written jack shit about Patreaus or his honesty, other than some of what he said disagrees with the Pentagon. I sure as shit didn't write a damn thing before his testimony. Ride your hobby horse elsewhere.

3) No, Limbaugh didn't edit out anything he said that was wrong. He edited out several minutes to make it look like he was talking about something that he wasn't when he called media favored soldiers "phony". Is that concept just beyond you? Obviously.

[swampcracker]

I am speaking on behalf of my daughter who is in Iraq right now (third time), who is a liberal democrat, who opposes the war, yet does her job regardless of hardships and hazards, who has earned two bronze stars and seven distinguished service citations for her performance. "Phoney soldier" indeed.

Since 9/11, my daughter has missed every family milestone - every holiday, every birth, and every death. I call it “Family Interrupted.” With each passing year, there is always the empty place at the family dinner table. I watch the evening news and note the losses of other families, hoping my daughter’s name will never appear on a casualty list. "Phoney soldier" indeed.

I think you can well understand my rage over this remark.

About that Jingo Limbo comment, it offends me to the point of wanting to hunt him down like a dog and push in his face and pluck out his eyes.