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April 26, 2006

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moorcat

I'm not one of the Montana Democrats (though it seems I tend to agree with them an awful lot...) and you haven't pissed me off. Your post sheds some light on Morrison I was unaware of. I would have a hard time voting for a candidate that sponsored the marraige amendment.

Moorcat

Patia

I am a Montana Dem (but only because there isn't a viable Green Party here) and you haven't offended me.

I'm in a really pissy mood, too.

Fortunately, I can blame it on PMS. ;-)

Mark

Our only hope is that Missoula puts up a huge turnout and Tester pulls it out. Otherwise it's a race between Burns and Max Jr., with odds favoring the more corrupt of the two.

Mark Hollman

I really think Tester is playing dirty here. Does anyone doubt that he's behind this story getting so much attention?

Even if Morisson did all these things (which it looks like he did), why would Tester damage Morisson ahead of the primary? Don't we want whoever comes out of our race to be in the best position to take down Burns?

moorcat

Mark H.

First, you are proceeding from a false assumption - that Tester had anything to do with the allegations against Morrison. Let's be VERY clear here. The allegations against Morrison began because two Montana Newspapers printed stories about the situation. You can try to maintain that Tester somehow "leaked" the news but that accusation just doesn't hold any water. Care to provide some proof?

As far as the uproar after the articles, consider the situation carefully. We (meaning the majority of people posting to blogs in Montana), have been dealing with the corruption of Conman Burns for a long while now. Unethical behavior is a hot button action at this point. To see unethical behavior in one of our other Senatorial Candidates simply pushes that hot button.

I have freely admitted I didn't approve of Morrison as a choice for Senator for other reasons long before the story came out. I have even less reason to like him now. Yes, I support Tester (though he and I have some basic disagreements on issues...) because he seems the most ethical and representative Senatorial Candidate for Montana. I do not attack Morrison because I support Tester. I attack Morrison because he won't (or can't) answer the questions brought up about this situation.

Moorcat

Wulfgar
I really think Tester is playing dirty here.

The allegations against Morrison aren't coming from the Tester camp. I understand why there would be reason for suspicion, in the same way that I am suspicious of claims that that the allegations agaionst Morrison are coming from the Tester camp. Seems to me, the Republicans stand the most to gain by promoting that groundless charge. But suspicion shouldn't lead to certainty, so why do you seem so very certain of your charge?

Does anyone doubt that he's behind this story getting so much attention?

Yes, obviously there are. It's far more likely that this is the rare case of the media doing it's fricking job, and people reacting to it because Morrison won't.

Even if Morisson did all these things (which it looks like he did), why would Tester damage Morisson ahead of the primary?

That's a very good question, especially in the face of your certitude that Tester is involved. It rather suggests that Tester isn't behind this story at all. And I reiterate that it is far more likely that the GOP is taking the opportunity to damage both candidates, one win the truths of his past, and the other with lies concerning his involvement in the story.

Don't we want whoever comes out of our race to be in the best position to take down Burns?

Yes we do, but it almost sounds as if you expect Jon Tester to "take one for the team" and let Morrison skate on this. Uhhm, no. Jon Tester does not get to decide who Montana wants representing it any more than the DLC does.

Ultimately Moorcat is spot on. Morrison's sin against the voters is not embodied in the allegations against him. It's that he won't answer those allegations, or anything else about his candidacy. He appears, for all the world, to expect the vote of Democratic Montanans because, well, he's John Morrison. I offer a really big negatory to that one, good buddy.

Jon Tester isn't driving this story. People who want the truth are driving this story. People who want a candidate that engages them are driving this story. People who are sick to death of politicians thinking of themselves first and their constituants as just bullshit-nurtured tools of the machinery are driving this story.

Matt Singer

It's always someone else's fault. Morrison can't keep his dick to himself, so it's Tester's fault? He screws up in his office, so it's Tester's fault?

Stop blaming other folks, ask Morrison to take a little responsibility for his actions.

Mark Hollman

1) You say the media is doing it's job. But something tells me that if the shoe were on the other foot, you would say that Morrison-not the press-was doing the mudslinging. It's only because you like Tester that you're willing to credit the media with this story--or at least need more back up than you normally would that Tester is involved.

2) The hypocrisy on this rampant. I'm not defending Morisson, but I do think he is the best candidate to take on Burns--as soon as he answers these ethics questions. But I have a feeling that even though you say that you "attack Morrison because he won't (or can't) answer the questions brought up about this situation," you really attack him because you do not support him in general. If Tester faced allegatins, you would probably say that all he had to do is come clean, and then you would give him a pass. No one here is saying that about Morrison.

Eric Coobs

Hey Wulfgar - even Ronald Reagan was a former Democrat- if they banish you from the party we'll take you into the fold!

Wulfgar

Mark, do you work for the GOP? 'Cause it sure as the hell seems like it.

The hypocrisy on this rampant.

Prove where I've been hypocritical, even fucking once. Come on. Show what you got.

I'm not defending Morisson,

Yes you are. And, by the way, you continue to mispell his name. Some supporter you are, GOP-plant. Jason Klindt, is that you?

but I do think he is the best candidate to take on Burns--as soon as he answers these ethics questions.

And yet, as has been pointed out to you at great and laborous length, Morrison won't answer the fucking questions. This isn't my goddamned problem, now is it? It's Morrison's. Do you get that, or are you a little slow on the up take?

But I have a feeling that even though you say that you "attack Morrison because he won't (or can't) answer the questions brought up about this situation," you really attack him because you do not support him in general. If Tester faced allegatins, you would probably say that all he had to do is come clean, and then you would give him a pass. No one here is saying that about Morrison.

To me, this proves that you are nothing more than a GOP goon. You just wrote that Morrison would be all pretty if he would just answer the questions (which he won't) but that I'm somehow hypocrital in that I would forgive Tester if he would answer questions that Morrison won't fucking answer! You're stupidly saying that I'm not writing the very things about Morrison that I'm obviously writing! The very point that I've wasted a ton of words to ask is this: Why won't Morrison answer the questions (allegations) against him? Only a fucking GOoPer could really be that stupid, as to accuse me of asking something of Morrison that I would forgive Tester for answering ... if I had to ask the question as postulated in your bullshit hypothetical ... as if it even fucking applied!

Jeesus Kree-riced, man! Tester didn't fuck somebody and hide it's relevance to state governance. Morrison did. Yes, if Tester had done so, I would ask his ass to explain. But don't be so fucking retarded as to ask me to task Jon Tester to explain something he hasn't done ... get it?

No, you probably don't. If you actually are a Democrat in Montana, instead of the Republican troll I suspect that you are, then you are precisley why Conrad Burns will win re-election. You are pathetic in your defense of an unwinnable candidate.

Wulfgar

Eric, I will make you a deal: if the Montana GOP profers Bob Keenan in the primary, and the Montana Dems offer me Morrison, I will happily vote for Keenan for the Senate. Fair enough?

moorcat

Mark,

You once again assume facts not in evidence. The quote you used was actually mine

But I have a feeling that even though you say that you "attack Morrison because he won't (or can't) answer the questions brought up about this situation," you really attack him because you do not support him in general. If Tester faced allegatins, you would probably say that all he had to do is come clean, and then you would give him a pass. No one here is saying that about Morrison.

The facts you are assuming are as follows -

1) You assume that I didn't support Morrison to begin with. That assumption is pretty much correct. I haven't really thought very much of Morrison since he failed to either answer my emails or make any kind of definitive stand on issues that are important to me

2) You assume that I wouldn't give Morrison a "free pass" if he came clean on the issues in question. That is partially correct. NOONE gets a free pass with me. Period. What Morrison could accomplish by answering the questions brought up about this issue with Taske is that he would show some integrity of office - something that he isn't doing now. I demand that of EVERY elected official, not just Morrison. Remember that they work for us, not the other way around. I would still have my original problem with Morrison that needs to be addressed - is he a slick lawyer wanting a prestigious office or is he a Senatorial Candidate that has the balls to represent Montana...

3) You assume that I am so enamoured with Tester that I would overlook a lapse in ethical behaviour. In that, you are dead WRONG. No elected official is above reproach when it comes to doing thier damn job - representing Montana with honesty and ethical behavior. I have seriously had it with shysters and political hacks. In fact, my blog is called Pragmatic Revolt because I am fed up enough to actually want a revolt against the corrupted status quo of Washington. Tester is just as much under the microscope with me as any other candidate. He simply appears to be the one that I can support for the Senate Seat of Montana. Burns certainly isn't. Morrison doesn't appear to be. Tester meets most of my criteria for a good Montana representative.

Moorcat

Eric Coobs

Thanks Wulfgar, I hate to be called obvious, but you & I both know Keenan is going nowhere!

moorcat

Eric,

I wouldn't bet the farm on that. It really depends on what happens with the Burns investigation in the next 7 months. I would love to see Burns in orange coveralls before Nov....

Moorcat

Rocky Smith

I intend to support Keenan- and then have no choice in November should it be Burns vs. Tester or Morrison. I think Republicans should examine the facts and see that Keenan is a better choice.

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