« Focus On The Focus On Burns | Main | That's ... Unique »

January 18, 2006

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451d65569e200d834258c5b53ef

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Bozeman Chronicle Reaches For Stupid ... Again:

» GOP Pushes Lobbying Reform in Scandals' Wake from Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator
Republican congressional leaders outline proposed changes in the way Congress interacts with lobbyis [Read More]

Comments

Eric Coobs

Do you really expect an answer?

Wulfgar

From the Chronicle? Of course not.

Now, if you meant "do I expect my fellow statesmen to recognize bullshit when it appears in the paper", well yeah; yeah I kinda' do.

Rocky Smith

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901476.html

While I don't support Burns, I can't agree with your statement that Baucus got no money from Black Jack. The Washington Post story linked above says otherwise. I'm not saying Max did anything illegal or that he did favors for Abramoff. I'm just pointing out that he DID get money from Jack. To say he got no money at all is simply false. I'm very suprised that you would lie for Max. Max is definitely less involved from what I have seen so far, but to say he got no money is an outright lie. If he didn't, why is he returning it?

Wulfgar

Wrong, Rocky. Check the facts. I said "none" and I mean "none". The WashPost article that is being spoonfed by the state Republicans cautiously mentions Baucus getting Abramoff "related" money. It's a not so subtle slight of hand geared solely to coerce the distrustful into calling people like me "liars". But the facts are on my side.

Rocky Smith

So this is supposed to be the list of all Abramoff contrfibutions, Wulfgar? If so, where is Conrad Burns' name? It isn't on that list either. MAYBE Max didn't get a check directly from Black Jack's hand, but he did get money. Why else would he be returning it? So if Abramoff gives me $1000 and I then give it to you, you can say you didn't get any money from Abramoff? You are being less than straight forward on this. Partisanship? You are splitting hairs to attempt to say Max is totally free of any Abramoff money. I'm quite willing to say that Burns did get money and looks dirty for doing it. I haven't said Max sold a vote or anything similar. He DID get money though. I think the Washington Post is a respectable source. Why don't you author a post on how they lied too?

Wulfgar

Rocky, you called me a liar, remember? And now, since the facts support me and directly contradict the Chronicle, you say I'm being disingenious. What the hell color is the sky on your world?

Rocky Smith

Okay Wulfgar. You are right and the Helena Independent Record, The Bozeman Chronicle, and The Washington Post are all wrong. Why then is Max returning money he "didn't get"? You don't seem to want to acknowledge that Baucus did get money, even if indirectly, from Abramoff. I contend he did. I have not claimed that Max did anything illegal, nor do I claim he got a check directly from Black Jack's hand. He did get money though. Read the Post story. He returned money. What part of that won't sink into your mind? The Washington Post is not a media arm of the Republican party. I don't think the story is a falsification. I don't even think you are really lieing. You just want to wiggle around by the fact that Abramoff's money wasn't in the form of a direct check from Abramoff's account to Max's. Running it through a third party account makes it all clean in your world though, I guess.
Burns appears to be in a lot more trouble in that he may have voted the way Abramoff wanted him to. If that's true, Conrad deserves to get trouble. I wasn't going to vote for him anyway. I think I have made the point that I'm not one of his fans many times in the past.
But Baucus is returning money he never received? Keep on tilting at windmills, my friend.

Wulfgar

Rocky, I remind you, yet again, that you called me a liar. Are we clear on that? I didn't lie. You seem to want to believe that I'm saying the Washington Post lied. No, they didn't. What they did do is use the rather slippery phrase "Abramoff related" money. Now what the hell is that supposed to mean? The Chronicle, on the other hand, wrote, and I quote: "We know he gave money to the campaigns of Sen. Max Baucus". Now tell me, please, how there is any truth to that? If you wanna know where the money that Max is "giving back" came from, then do the research and let us all know. (Hint, I already do, but I've no interest in derailing the point I was making in this post simply to correct your ignorance. That's exactly what the GOPpers want, and they won't get it from me.)

You've been played, Rocky. You're supporting the GOP talking points without even realizing that you're doing it. There's a huge difference between getting campaign funds from Abramoff clients, and getting campaign funding from Abramoff's illegal activities. The newspapers we "libruls" are so obviously lying about are attempting to paint those two as the same thing, and you're helping them do it. They aren't the same thing. Period.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

My Photo

Read This!

Friends like Family

Blog powered by TypePad